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Sword of Honor |
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The botton line in the "animals are homosexual issue" is that animals are not rational beings. Does anyone suggest that a dog who humps people's
legs is a zoophile and attracted to humans? No. Many male animals will hump anything that holds still long enough. Male animals humping other male animals are
NOT "homosexual."
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Sword of Honor wrote:I'm not disagreeing with you on this point. In fact, that was my point: The document you provided talks at length of 'irrational animal behavior' and essentially determines that such irrational behavior is 'immoral' for a rational man. If an animal has no rationality at all, then how can he determine which specific activities within the animal kingdome are "irrational" for the animals? He simply can't. If animals are deprived of rationality, then all of their behavior would be, by definition, "irrational," or in the least, not bound by rationality at all. I would agree this is probably true for the vast majority of the species. But if you define an animal as a being of 'non-existent rationality,' and then go on to depict certain specific sets of behavior as 'irrational' then this can only be a rationalisation based on the observers bias, in this case here, based on what he feels is 'immoral behavior in man' as stated in his premise . Male animals humping other male animals are NOT "homosexual."Perhaps not, but it certainly would not be defined as heterosexual behavior, and is only indicative that homosexual behavior does exist within the animal world, regardless of any 'motivation' you want to place on it. Homosexual human males are quite capable of mating too, doesn't make them straight. Despite my strong disagreements with the text, I will say it has one great merit in that it reminds us of a very important fact: Animal behavior is not invariably a good source of information to explain human behavior. On that point, he's certainly right. I'm not about to go dog-humping... |
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kirtiray |
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"Anyhoo, has anyone seen this? Thoughts?"
That is indeed interesting and it does make perfect sense. So gays may have been born with a birth defect that affects brain symmetry. A friend of mine was born with Bipolar Disorder. That brain malfunction causes her to make poor, often self-destructive choices too. It's starting to become clear now. |
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Badesumofu |
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1.9% huh, in that case the one hundred and fourteen million gay people around the world would probably argue that homosexuality is pretty
common. The argument seems to be that it's not bigotry if you label the difference a perversion.
I really don't get what the big fuss is over same-sex unions. Two conscenting adults who want to make a commitment, what's so wrong with that? Doesn't take anything away from me. I think that bears repeating. I've always thought that the typical conservative position on this (and also on drug prohibition) was fairly hypocritical. Does it infringe on your liberty for a man to be able to marry another man? Anyway, thanks Propaganster and others, you're doing an excellent job. |
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Sword of Honor |
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Perhaps not, but it certainly would not be defined as heterosexual behavior, and is only indicative that homosexual behavior does exist within the animal world, regardless of any 'motivation' you want to place on it.It may be homosexual BEHAVIOR, but that's far different from being a HOMOSEXUAL. Yes, the key is motivation. If I tell you that if you stick your johnson through a hole in the wall and a beautiful young lady will throw a lip-lock on it...and, afterwards, it turns out that it was Eaanders behind the wall, does that make you a homosexual? Of course not...because your motivation was not about homosexuality. Likewise, animals aren't "attracted to the same sex." They are attracted to ANYTHING that gets them off. A far different motivation than being "homosexual." |
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kirtiray |
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"The argument seems to be that it's not bigotry if you label the difference a perversion."
A perversion is to pervert. One accepted definition of which is to turn away from that which is generally done or accepted. It seems that the homosexual agenda is to change that which is generally done or accepted into that which is perfectly normal and acceptable. I say it's not. History says it's not. Nature itself says it's not. |
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Sword of Honor |
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The argument seems to be that it's not bigotry if you label the difference a perversion.You may be right...as long as you accept the idea that finding pedophiles, zoophiles, and necrophiles disgusting is "bigotry." |
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kirtiray |
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Cue the "consent" argument. AaaannnnD ACTION!
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SciFiGuy |
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Sword, it is your assertion that animals which engage in homosexual acts are not homosexual -- that under optimal conditions. all animals would engage in heterosexual sex. If that is indeed the case, then how do you explain that? Since there is no "culture" which teaches animals to be straight, we would expect that 50% of the animals would chose to have straight sex, and 50% would chose to have gay sex. But since that is not the case -- most animals engage in heterosexual sex -- it must be due to genetics, right? Therefore, sexual orientation is genetic, correct? And so, if sexual orientation is genetic, then it can work both ways -- some are born heterosexual, and sometimes some are born homosexual.
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Sword of Honor |
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Can you say "logical fallacy", boys and girls? I knew you could!
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SciFiGuy |
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Ah, yes, when one cannot respond with a logical answer, whip out the ol' insults. That's the way to win a scientific debate. |
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kirtiray |
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I looked up logical fallacy in the dictionary and SciFiGal got it almost word for word. Good Job!
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Sword of Honor |
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How is identifying a textbook example of a logical fallacy an "insult"?? How is a textbook logical fallacy "scientific"?? You liberals are
just strange.
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kirtiray |
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He's convinced himself that he was born that way. Maybe so, but my friend was born Bipolar.
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SciFiGuy |
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The fact is, Sword, you painted yourself into a corner. There is no animal culture to teach animals to engage in heterosexual sex, so why is it that most (all?) animals are heterosexual? If it were simply a matter of choice, then we would expect 50% of the animals to chose straight sex and 50% to chose gay sex. But your assertion is that something makes all (or most) animals engage in heterosexual sex. That means that their sexual orientation is genetic. And I agree with that. Sexual orientation IS genetic. Whether one is straight, or one is gay, their orientation is genetic. There is no "choice" involved. |
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Sword of Honor |
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The fact is, Sword, you painted yourself into a corner. There is no animal culture to teach animals to engage in heterosexual sex, so why is it that all animals are heterosexual?Because that's the natural and normal state. If it were simply a matter of choice, then we would expect 50% of the animals to chose straight sex and 50% to chose gay sex.Ignore for a moment the fact that makes NO sense, who said anything about "choice"? But your assertion is that something makes all (or most) animals engage in heterosexual sex. That means that their sexual orientation is genetic.Do you have ANY education? Have you ever even heard of logical fallacies (fallacious arguments)? I suggest you study them because all your arguments are textbook examples of fallacies. |
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American Pig |
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There is no "choice" involved.Homos don't have a choice in how many different buttholes they pump in a lifetime? They're genetically predisposed to engage in activities which cause epidemic levels of disease? That's gonna be a tough sell. |
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Sword of Honor |
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Despite decades of looking, science has found no evidence that homosexuality is genetic.
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DoctorFederalist |
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Or maybe they have....
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Sword of Honor |
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A study of 90 men and women at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden.
Homos are always whipping out pointless "studies" such as this. This is hardly evidence that homosexuality is genetic. |
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