Do you want to be associated with everything Leftwing extremists have done?
Cut the bullshit. It just makes you look like a tool.
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NMOCM |
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Dave,
Do you want to be associated with everything Leftwing extremists have done? Cut the bullshit. It just makes you look like a tool. |
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Isabelle101 |
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I always thought the Left was anti semite and not the right. I am a conservative but am very pro Israel. The left are the ones wanting to destroy Israel so why
is this madman associated with conservatives? I would say he was a radical leftist.
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barkaVC |
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ThomJefferson wrote:So now you're calling Nazis liberals? Man the right are pitiful. |
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BostonDave |
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NMOCM wrote: No of course not. But I'm at least intellectually honest enough to admit that they occupy they same ideological spectrum as I do. When they misbehave I can condemn it, as opposed to making an attempt to disown it. |
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Rocket57 |
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" The left are the ones wanting to destroy Israel so why is this madman associated with conservatives? "
Your claim is ridiculous horsepucky. American Jews ARE "the left". |
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basionok |
Mainstream conservatism is the black-helicopter crowd | ||
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"Back in April, there was a huge fuss over an internal report by the Department of Homeland Security warning that current conditions resemble those in the early 1990s - a time marked by an upsurge of right-wing extremism that culminated in the Oklahoma City bombing. Conservatives were outraged. The chairman of the Republican National Committee denounced the report as an attempt to "segment out conservatives in this country who have a different philosophy or view from this administration" and label them as terrorists. But with the murder of Dr. George Tiller by an anti-abortion fanatic, closely followed by a shooting by a white supremacist at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, the analysis looks prescient. There is, however, one important thing that the D.H.S. report didn't say: Today, as in the early years of the Clinton administration but to an even greater extent, right-wing extremism is being systematically fed by the conservative media and political establishment. Now, for the most part, the likes of Fox News and the R.N.C. haven't directly incited violence, despite Bill O'Reilly's declarations that "some" called Dr. Tiller "Tiller the Baby Killer," that he had "blood on his hands," and that he was a "guy operating a death mill." But they have gone out of their way to provide a platform for conspiracy theories and apocalyptic rhetoric, just as they did the last time a Democrat held the White House. And at this point, whatever dividing line there was between mainstream conservatism and the black-helicopter crowd seems to have been virtually erased. And then there's Rush Limbaugh. His rants today aren't very different from his rants in 1993. But he occupies a different position in the scheme of things. Remember, during the Bush years Mr. Limbaugh became very much a political insider. Indeed, according to a recent Gallup survey, 10 percent of Republicans now consider him the "main person who speaks for the Republican Party today," putting him in a three-way tie with Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich. So when Mr. Limbaugh peddles conspiracy theories - suggesting, for example, that fears over swine flu were being hyped "to get people to respond to government orders" - that's a case of the conservative media establishment joining hands with the lunatic fringe. What will the consequences be? Nobody knows, of course, although the analysts at Homeland Security fretted that things may turn out even worse than in the 1990s - that thanks, in part, to the election of an African-American president, "the threat posed by lone wolves and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years." And that's a threat to take seriously. Yes, the worst terrorist attack in our history was perpetrated by a foreign conspiracy. But the second worst, the
Oklahoma City bombing, was perpetrated by an all-American lunatic. Politicians and media organizations wind up such people at their, and our, peril."
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Rocket57 |
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Nice post, basionok. Nobody will try to argue that Tim McVeigh was a liberal. Or WILL they?
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barkaVC |
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10 percent of Republicans now consider him the "main person who speaks for the Republican Party today," putting him in a three-way tie with Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich. Telling. |
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kirtiray |
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Rocket57 wrote: No rational person could call McVeigh a liberal any more than one could call him a conservative. He was even rejected my the militia movement as too extreme. |
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Isabelle101 |
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I think the mass murder of 60,000 children is pretty fanatical and infinitely evil. But to the left that's just health care.
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Iron River |
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American Jews ARE "the left". Sad isn't it that the American Jews would let Israel be over run by islamoists so that they don't have to pay to help defend a Jewish state? American Jews are cowards that aren't really Americans. They are Jews in America just like so many other tribe - the Hispanics, the blacks, the Arabs, etc. But with the murder of Dr. George Tiller by an anti-abortion fanatic, closely followed by a shooting by a white supremacist at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, the analysis looks prescient. What about the islamoist who told the AP that it was his religious duty to kill a military recruiter???? Where is that story and how does that murder tie in with Obama's Egypt speech????? |
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NMOCM |
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BostonDave wrote: A guy like this has very little in common with me politically. He might be "on my side" of the bogus left-right spectrum, but that doesn't mean much of anything at all... I don't "own" it. I only "own" my own positions. |
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Rocket57 |
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" American Jews are cowards that aren't really Americans. They are Jews in America just like so many other tribe - the Hispanics, the blacks, the
Arabs, etc. "
Are you for real or are you just trolling again? Why aren't Jews real Americans? And what's with the "tribe" shit? |
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BostonDave |
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NMOCM wrote: I doubt that. You both occupy the right spectrum, and it is a spectrum with shadings. He might be more extreme in some of his views but I'd bet you have more common ground with him on various issue than I would. |
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Sword of Justice |
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Only an idiot - or a troll - would try to claim that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. "occupy the same political spectrum" as American liberals. There is
no relationship whatsoever....just as there is no relationship between the museum shooter and conservatives. Trolls are a pain in the ass.
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BostonDave |
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Sword of Justice wrote: You occupy some area on the ideological spectrum. Right, left, middle. Thats just a fact. Extremists are at the extreme ends, others shading towards the middle from that. This shooter is on the right spectrum. Are you so stupid as to not be able to discern ready facts? |
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basionok |
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Is Racist Hate Republican or Democratic?
There have been 58 homicides in the District of Columbia so far this year, down more than 20 percent from this point in 2008. And while every murder is a tragedy among the victim's immediate circle, we all know that few cases - unless the deceased happens to be a government intern - even register on the consciousness of society at large. http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/weekend-opinionator-is-racist-hate-republican-or-democratic/ |
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SickFudge |
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He was far more of a Republican than I would've thought.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/...runn-a-right-winger.aspx Definitely in the paleoconservative vein. But the Republican Party's rhetoric (if not it's politics) have moved far into the extreme in the last decade. Especially since Obama was elected. Maybe I shouldn't have been surprised. |
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Tibeerius |
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Wyld One 100 wrote: Well, it makes at least as much sense as saying Rush Limbaugh or the GOP incited it. Liberals can accuse the GOP of being run by the Jews for the benefit of Israel and of deliberately inspiring whack-jobs to target Jews without seeing any incongruity...sometimes in the same article or even paragraph.
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Purandara |
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National Socialism never did fit well within the conventional left-wing/right-wing paradigm. At every level, National Socialist ideology defies easy
pigeon-holing.
The economic platform features a number of traditionally "left-wing" features: heavy social service/safety net spending, heavy infrastructure spending, pro-consumer banking regulations, and very substantial state direction of economic planning. On the other hand, the nationalization/collectivization of industry and confiscatory taxation policies associated with "left-wing" politics were rejected by the National Socialists. The social ideology of National Socialism was similarly checkered. Traditionalist/reactionary attitudes about race and the role of women represent "right-wing" elements, but at the same time, strong anti-bourgeoisie sentiments permeated the National Socialist ideology. The NSDAP also pretty relentlessly attacked institutional bastions of "right-wing" traditionalism (that is to say, the Christian churches), in large measure out of a desire to sweep aside the Christian faith and replace it with an occult-tinged, neo-heathen tradition built around the twin cults of the Führer and the Germanic cultural mythos. The National Socialists built what is probably the preeminent example of a 'technocratic' state, but they built it on a foundation of political mysticism. An honest assessment would simply conclude that fascism/National Socialism represent exactly what their architects conceived them to be: a "Third Position" opposed both to classical liberal ("right-wing") and Marxist ("left-wing") politics and policies. |
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