I recognize that it's not practical, but I strongly believe that some of these fuckers need a good life sentence for some of the shit that they do.
And don't get me started on "anger management". Ugh.
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Wyld One 100 |
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So, I've noticed that I'm becoming more and more of hardass when it comes to punishing people for crime. Not surprisingly, this is especially
the case (probably mostly the case, actually) when it comes to DV and sexual assault.
I recognize that it's not practical, but I strongly believe that some of these fuckers need a good life sentence for some of the shit that they do. And don't get me started on "anger management". Ugh. |
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Be careful or you may get drummed out of the Vast Leftwing Conspiracy. Janet Napoli-Reno might think you're a potential terrorist.
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That's fine - I wouldn't be surprised to find out that I'm on an FBI list or some sort of "watch list" for my previous behaviors.....
It just really, really pisses me off. And "we" (in the DV advocate community) cheer when an abuser gets 1 or 2 years - I want to scream. The abuser should get a minimum of one year for every negative word, every hit, every puch, every kick, every choke - and at least 30 years each time the person holds the victim hostage. And then there are things that can't even be measured in order to be punished - mental/emotional abuse is hard enough, but what about financial abuse? 10 years for each job the abuser gets the victim fired from? A year for every single time that the abuser controlled the money? What about when the abuser doesn't let the victim talk to family or friends - what would be "justice" for that? I'm even worse when it comes to rape. |
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Wyld One 100 wrote: It means you are getting older and wiser. Welcome to the club. I never thought of you as a serious liberal anyway. Unfortunately, there are many in their 30s and beyond who remain liberal and will always see life as it should be on paper rather than the way it really is. What's that old saying? Something to do with still being liberal after 40? |
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It means you are getting older and wiser. Or it means my job is affecting me....and not necessarily in a healthy way. Maybe a little bit of each though. |
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It IS a healthy way. You're becoming more pragmatic and more of a realist.
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i share your view wyld but i include abuse against children and molestation. a lot of crimes against women and kids have very light punishments
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Oh, I don't know about that. A child molestation case I personally helped prosecute just netted the pervert 60 years in prison. All he really did was cop a
feel of three girls in his swimming pool. That's a lot of time for a cheap feel....but we all know he would have escalated, so I have no sympathy for him.
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compare that to the numerous i've encountered who did a lot more than a "cheap feel" and got off with probation. your case is not the ordinary.
not even half of that time is ordinary
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The way I look at it, in countries which grant their people liberty and have laws in place to protect individual rights and freedoms, and where you are free to
express you opinions openly, violent crimes become even more reprehensible.
I'm fairly liberal-minded, as in permissive, on a variety of social issues, but I was never lenient on violent crime in the slightest. We probably need fewer laws, I don't believe in the concept of "victimless crimes" for example - But violent crimes? Rape and pedophilia? Tie the bungee rope around his neck and throw the bastard over the golden gate bridge! |
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While it's not going to happen and probably wouldn't look very good if we tried, I wish we could come up with a system that could punish people
proportionally to the evil behind their crimes.
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NMOCM wrote:That's the matter of great debate, isn't it? How do we evaluate the severity, and as such, the proper punishment for a crime. Hard to get people to agree on that, though I think we have gotten too soft on violent crimes, and then, some of the things defined as crimes probably shouldn't be. It's a mess. |
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We have a one punishment fits all kind of system and it's doomed to fail like that.
Sometimes the reason the person in in the clink is just to keep them out of society. People like child molestors can't be cured, trained, or fixed so all prison does is separate them from the rest of the world. A long sentence for them makes sense. Other times, like for robbery, forgery, and more property types of crimes those people might be able to be retrained to learn to get money in more socially acceptable way. Long sentences for folks like that are a waste of taxpayer money, especially if no behavioral modification is attempted while they're locked up. |
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A person has every right to kill another person if the other person is attempting to murder or rape her.
Therefore, the death penalty is justifiable for rape or murder. If the victim believes that having her rapist executed is too extreme, she should be free to opt for (A) the removal of the penis of her rapist, (B) exorbitant monetary restitution, or (C) any other, lesser punishment. (She should also be free to fully exonerate her aggressor if she chooses.) It is a violation of a person's rights to be touched without his consent, even if the touch is as innocent as merely touching a person on his shoulder. But although this is a natural crime against the touched party, in virtually all cases, the touched party will exonerate his toucher, considering the quick and painless interaction between his shoulder and the other person's hand so innocent that to actually press charges is a waste of his time. However, if he does take his case to an arbitor, the arbitor should rule in his favour, since he does have a right to not be touched without his consent. What punishment should the arbitor place on the toucher in this case? It seems rational to me that the restitution debt should be extremely low, perhaps as low as a dollar. (It's hard to say exactly what cost the market will set for this infraction since we do not yet have a free market, polycentric legal system.) Domestic violence is clearly more liberticidal than merely touching someone on the shoulder to get his attention, and thus should be treated with appropriate severity. Finally, if a person engages in cat-calls against another, the so-called victim should get nothing, since cat-calls do not violate his natural rights, and since the person engaging in cat-calling ought to be recognised as having free speech based upon her property rights in her own mouth and mind. To force her to pay the person she cat-called even a cent is a grave violation of the cat-caller's natural rights. The only just punishment for such things as cat-calling and verbal abuse is the act of shunning and boycotting the cat-caller or verbal abuser. (With that said, I highly recommend reading Dr. Long's "Why We Fight (the Power).") In summation, depending upon the nature of the incident, the correct punishment can range anywhere from nothing to execution. In any event, no prosecution should ever take place without the victim's consent. |
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As for the rapin and the killin and the child abuse, I gotta way to put an end to all that pain ...
you just take them rascals out in the swamp put em on their knees and tie em to a stump let the bugs and the snakes and the alligators do the rest |
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Despite the liberal misnomer of "department of corrections", the sole intended purpose of prison is (1) punishment, and (2) the removal of the
offender from society.
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What suprises me, is the leniency shown to drunk drivers still.
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Basiate |
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i think punishment for those who are drunk drivers varies state to state. in VA you might want to just stay dry your entire visit rather than risk getting
caught. VA is a bit hardcore with driving offenses in general
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Wyld One 100 wrote:Would you be open to corresponding sentences for abusive women? Say, 6 months for every time she deliberately humiliates her partner in front of his friends or family (1 year if those relationships are irreparably harmed), 2 years for every time she threatens to take the children and disappear (and 10 for every time she DOES), that kind of thing? How would you handle the depressingly common phenomenon of reciprocal abuse?
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Abusive women should absolutely be treated equally as abusive men.
How would you handle the depressingly common phenomenon of reciprocal abuse? I'm leaning toward saying that my line of thinking here is specifically for the primary aggressor. But I wonder if this is actually part of a larger discussion. Would "reciprocal abuse" come to mean "victims who defend themselves from abusers?" In DV relationships, one person has power and control over the other. Edited to add: 2 years for every time she threatens to take the children and disappear (and 10 for every time she DOES) This I know is definitely part of a larger discussion - mostly because the Child Protective Services are such a mess in practically every state. Additionally, however, how does one define - especially within the context of the ever-accurate Justice System - when a woman is taking the children and disappearing as an act of DV, versus when she does so in order to protect herself and the children from harm?
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