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Badesumofu |
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What a finely crafted strawman! It was actually pretty funny, though. And it did make one good point - banning guns in small areas is fairly stupid ifthey are
easily obtainable in the surrounding areas.
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FLW |
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Banning guns is stupid, period. There's no way to stuff the genie back into the bottle. To be unarmed is to be unprepared to confront the evil of the
world when it attacks you or your home.
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SteelyEyes |
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Attempting to ban guns is really stupid. People that follow the laws in the first place would be the only people to comply so all you're left with is
criminals with guns and victims unarmed and not prepared to defend themselves. Brilliant!
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kirtiray |
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Gun control has never been about public safety in the first place.
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barkaVC |
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As Darth Vader would say...''It is too late....'' for gun control in the US.
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kirtiray |
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It's too late for gun control on Planet Earth. Unless you're willing to ban metalworking machines the bad guys will always be armed. Any dipshit with
plans and a drill press can build a machine gun if he put his mind to it.
Hell, they manufacture some pretty sophisticated weapons in prisons all over the world. |
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barkaVC |
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It's too late for gun control on Planet Earth. Wrong. Not everywhere has such a developed gun culture as the US. There are a lot of countries where gun control is very suitable and effective - Japan is one. I wouldn't say the UK is though. |
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SteelyEyes |
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They use swords and all kinds of ninja shit in Japan.
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AZ Sailor |
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That was funny! Using sarcasm to make a point can be very effective.
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robpar1979 |
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Barka don't get fooled by daft newspapers. Despite the SUN best efforts to portray different the UK has one of the lowest murder rates and lowest murder
rates in the world.
You are 1/10 less likely to get murdered in the UK than in the US when population figures get taken into account. Let the gun nuts wallow in their delusional crap. The high supply of guns increase the lieklyhood of accidents and fatal incidents which are not murdered. how many kid get injured messing with firearms. |
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SteelyEyes |
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The accident rate with guns is really damn low here. There are literally millions of guns in the US. In my area 45% of all homes have a gun in them, most have
more than one. In my house there are a dozen, mostly hunting rifles and a shotgun but three handguns as well.
Even with that many guns you rarely hear of someone having an accident with them. Lots more people die from car accidents than they do from gun accidents. In fact the death rate for car accidents used to top the rate for ALL firearm deaths even though the huge bulk of those are split between murders and suicide with accidents being a very tiny fraction. Having guns or not having guns has little impact on the rate in which they are used in crimes. There are lots of fully automatic weapons in Switzerland and nearly zero gun crime. Canada has no shortage of firearms and their murder rates are quite a bit lower than that in the US. If you look at firearms ownership rates and firearm crime rates there is little to no correlation. Violent crimes are driven by other factors besides having a readily available weapon. People that don't like guns try to make a complex situation simple but that doesn't change the facts. |
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kirtiray |
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Don't bother, Steely. The British government used some heavy duty propaganda to convince an island full of proud, free people that they should surrender
their personal property for destruction. They heavily employed our own gun control groups to use false statistics about America to fool Britons into thinking
that they too may become such a dangerous place as America if they were to resist emasculation. It's only understandable that they should actually believe
that taking guns away from those who are not inclined to commit crimes somehow makes you safer or that the very presence of guns can inspire people to murder.
They also love to point to their lower gun murder rates as a testament to the success of gun control. Never mind that the rate was even lower BEFORE they submitted to emasculation. How soon they have forgotten. The fools gave up their liberty for nothing! |
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Mr Jose Cuervo |
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Banning guns is stupid, period. There's no way to stuff the genie back into the bottle. To be unarmed is to be unprepared to confront the evil of the world when it attacks you or your home. oh please, your old fat ass would be dead before you could put your teeth in if you had a home invasion. There is absolutely zero need for these weapons in our society. There are better, safer alternatives, People who whine about herbage and sporting can go fuck themselves. Take up archery, it takes more skill. Put a $500 annual tax per gun, for 10 years along with a buy back program. After 10 years stop producing ammunition. After 5 years of that make all guns illeagal with stiff penalties that involve a felony charge and at least 5 years in jail on the first offense. |
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Badesumofu |
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Good luck with that, Jose. I don't think gun control makes much sense for America. You can't change the culture overnight, or even over 10 years, with
gun laws. Trying to ban guns in specific States or jurisditions is pointless (as we see in the skit). Gun control does work in a place like Australia, however,
because it actually does make it harder and costlier for criminals to get guns. Our gun crime stats reflect that.
Now let's see who can be the first to misuse some out-of-context stats about gun crimes in 1995-1997 in Australia
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American Pig |
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Put a $500 annual tax per gun, for 10 years along with a buy back program. After 10 years stop producing ammunition. After 5 years of that make all guns illeagal with stiff penalties that involve a felony charge and at least 5 years in jail on the first offense.That's right, Jose. Let's have a government from the top down. We can't have a nation of people in control of their own destiny. We need elites to tell the people what's best for them, to save them from themselves; kind of like a parent does for a child, or even say a......nanny. Keep suckling, Jose. |
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Donkzilla |
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Posts: 1989 (06/17/08 05:28 AM) I'm a lying
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robpar is 100% correct. It may seem crazy to Americans brought up within a gun culture, but statistical facts show we're a lot safer
without guns. Pro-gun nuts have no argument against the facts.
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Mr Jose Cuervo |
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That's right, Jose. Let's have a government from the top down. We can't have a nation of people in control of their own destiny.What do you care about your destiny? You have already shown you have no problem letting corporations decide your destiny..hows a gun going to help you? Are you really stupid enough to think any amount of weapons can protect you from the government? They have tanks, airplane ect ect...They also have Nonleathal weapons like LARS that can disable everyone in a 500 yard space with high frequency sound. You have been watching "RED Dawn" again while jerking off havent you? Thats the movies boy, it has nothing to do with reality. Your fat pasty ass wouldnt have a chance, id love to see you try though. |
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FLW |
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. . .statistical facts show. . . Like Mark Twain said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." |
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kirtiray |
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"Put a $500 annual tax per gun, for 10 years along with a buy back program."
Buy back? Exactly how does the government "buy back" that which it never owned in the first place? That's top down thinking just as AP pointed out. Only a far-left loon thinks that way. I love how people point to the low incidence of gun murders in England and Australia and conclude that it's because of recent gun control. England and Australia have things in common. For one, each country only banned guns after a high-profile mass shootings and NOT because of rampant gun crime. For another, the pre-ban gun murder rates were already low to start with. Now each country wants to claim that it's because of their recent gun control that gun murders rates are low. That's bullshit. Bades challenges us to use cherry picked dates to prove some statistical point that he already knows to be false. I won't do it. I will, however, challenge anyone to post reliable, broad-ranging government statistics showing a precipitous drop in gun murders happening in England and Australia following the gun bans and destruction of that private property. I think an honest person will find gun homicides remained low and that other person crimes like assault and robbery actually increased. |
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AZ Sailor |
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kiti, all one has to do is look at the crime rates before and after the advent of Concealed Carry laws in the several states, and compare them with crime rates
in cities like New York, DC, and Chicago, where its virtually impossible to own a firearm. The places with the strictest "gun control" have by far
the highest crime rates, including gun murders.
They are so intent on their crusade to disarm citizens that never have. . .and likely never will. . .break the law that they don't see the plain facts for what they are. |
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